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		<title>Comment on Winstanley on Homeschooling Gifted Children by Milton Gaither</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton Gaither</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s true.  Chapter six of my book tells the story of how the conservatives did this in great detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true.  Chapter six of my book tells the story of how the conservatives did this in great detail.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winstanley on Homeschooling Gifted Children by Win</title>
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		<dc:creator>Win</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your last sentence in your comment belies what happened. Homeschoolers did not &quot;split into rival camps&quot; so much as several self appointed conservative homeschool leaders led a large homeschooling organization and many statewide orgs to exclude anyone who did not meet their litmus tests. Many homeschoolers never bought it. However, the public face of homeschooling became one of &quot;split-ness.&quot; In truth, we were in the same kitchens as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your last sentence in your comment belies what happened. Homeschoolers did not &#8220;split into rival camps&#8221; so much as several self appointed conservative homeschool leaders led a large homeschooling organization and many statewide orgs to exclude anyone who did not meet their litmus tests. Many homeschoolers never bought it. However, the public face of homeschooling became one of &#8220;split-ness.&#8221; In truth, we were in the same kitchens as always.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winstanley on Homeschooling Gifted Children by Milton Gaither</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton Gaither</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely that the &quot;two kingdoms&quot; doesn&#039;t capture the full complexity of the homeschooling world, but it must be acknowledged that in the 1980s and 1990s, especially at the level of state and national organizations (and many, many local support groups as well) there really were, and in many cases still are, two basic camps of homeschoolers--Conservative Protestants and everyone else.  One of the central themes of my own scholarship has been to argue that this dichotomy is increasingly irrelevant as homeschooling has grown more mainstream.  But please note that historians and other academics did not invent this dichotomy.  Homescholers did in the 1980s when they split into rival camps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely that the &#8220;two kingdoms&#8221; doesn&#8217;t capture the full complexity of the homeschooling world, but it must be acknowledged that in the 1980s and 1990s, especially at the level of state and national organizations (and many, many local support groups as well) there really were, and in many cases still are, two basic camps of homeschoolers&#8211;Conservative Protestants and everyone else.  One of the central themes of my own scholarship has been to argue that this dichotomy is increasingly irrelevant as homeschooling has grown more mainstream.  But please note that historians and other academics did not invent this dichotomy.  Homescholers did in the 1980s when they split into rival camps.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kunzman on Regulating Homeschooling by Milton Gaither</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton Gaither</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Quiverfull, just surmising.  I know that some of the Vision Forum folks think women shouldn&#039;t vote or go to college.  It seems a plausible extension of this to wonder why they&#039;d need even basic literacy if their entire function in the world is to bear children and keep the home.  

As for immigrants, I&#039;m referring here to a post I did some time ago about Muslim immigrant homeschooling families who do, according to Neil MacFarquhar, keep their girls home so as to keep them illiterate to prepare them for a life of domestic servitude to their husbands.  If you search above for &quot;MacFarquahar&quot; that post will come right up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Quiverfull, just surmising.  I know that some of the Vision Forum folks think women shouldn&#8217;t vote or go to college.  It seems a plausible extension of this to wonder why they&#8217;d need even basic literacy if their entire function in the world is to bear children and keep the home.  </p>
<p>As for immigrants, I&#8217;m referring here to a post I did some time ago about Muslim immigrant homeschooling families who do, according to Neil MacFarquhar, keep their girls home so as to keep them illiterate to prepare them for a life of domestic servitude to their husbands.  If you search above for &#8220;MacFarquahar&#8221; that post will come right up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kunzman on Regulating Homeschooling by scatty</title>
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		<dc:creator>scatty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read this blog post, I wondered if you (Milton) know of quiverful types or certain immigrants who would regard academics as unnecessary for their daughters, even on the extreme fringes, as you put it, or if you are just surmising that this might be possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read this blog post, I wondered if you (Milton) know of quiverful types or certain immigrants who would regard academics as unnecessary for their daughters, even on the extreme fringes, as you put it, or if you are just surmising that this might be possible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winstanley on Homeschooling Gifted Children by Win</title>
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		<dc:creator>Win</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! But this does NOT apply only to gifted homeschoolers. This is what many homeschoolers have been trying to say about researchers&#039; and historians&#039; insistence on dividing us into the &quot;two kingdoms&quot; (literally, see Kingdom of Children). Like scientists who once could taxonomically only see Plants and Animals, many nonhomeschoolers persist in labeling us as either/or. It just is NOT so. Homeschoolers move fluidly between these worlds in a vast middle - homeschooling for pragmatic reasons. I know too many liberal-minded school-at-homers and too many conservative unschoolers to do this myself, and I don&#039;t understand why researchers don&#039;t get past this &quot;two-types-of-homeschoolers&quot; stereotype. It is funny that this is first seen in &quot;gifted&quot; homeschoolers -- many of us find that schools have special programs for &quot;gifteds&quot; and for &quot;slow&quot; students - but our many average children wallow in mediocrity. And thus we bring them home. Not because we are idealogues OR pedgogues, but because we love our children and find we can meet their needs better than institutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! But this does NOT apply only to gifted homeschoolers. This is what many homeschoolers have been trying to say about researchers&#8217; and historians&#8217; insistence on dividing us into the &#8220;two kingdoms&#8221; (literally, see Kingdom of Children). Like scientists who once could taxonomically only see Plants and Animals, many nonhomeschoolers persist in labeling us as either/or. It just is NOT so. Homeschoolers move fluidly between these worlds in a vast middle &#8211; homeschooling for pragmatic reasons. I know too many liberal-minded school-at-homers and too many conservative unschoolers to do this myself, and I don&#8217;t understand why researchers don&#8217;t get past this &#8220;two-types-of-homeschoolers&#8221; stereotype. It is funny that this is first seen in &#8220;gifted&#8221; homeschoolers &#8212; many of us find that schools have special programs for &#8220;gifteds&#8221; and for &#8220;slow&#8221; students &#8211; but our many average children wallow in mediocrity. And thus we bring them home. Not because we are idealogues OR pedgogues, but because we love our children and find we can meet their needs better than institutions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kunzman on Regulating Homeschooling by Win</title>
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		<dc:creator>Win</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you note that many homeschoolers have kids who, for instance, read later. I&#039;d note, though, that this is acceptable not only among unschoolers but many structured homeschoolers. They simply accept later reading ages and support their children in acquisition of reading at later times. Many, including structured curriculum-using homeschoolers are influenced by the Moore&#039;s books such as Better Late Than Early. So right - for these families, who purposefully choose an educational method they&#039;ve seen work well, testing basic literacy skills when the children are developmentally still acquiring pre-literacy skills would be inappropriate. Strongly counter-intuitive, this method is almost unbelievable to anyone who hasn&#039;t witnessed it. My not quite 8 yo (at the time) son did not read at all, tho&#039; he was immersed in a rich culture of literacy. Practically on his 8th birthday he began reading, and within a few months he could read far, far above grade level. 

(I actually think a great research project would be to look at the acquisition of reading in homeschoolers who take a more developmental approach. I know my oldest son was both reading and math phobic when I removed him from school at 4th grade, because he&#039;d been pushed so hard and had those subjectes presented to him as a sequential parts-to-whole &quot;scope and sequence&quot; when he turned out to be a big picture, big concept, whole language late bloomer. Taking him out of school and telling him he did not have to read did wonders for him. That and Harry Potter. He&#039;s excelling in college now. Anyway, I think educators could learn a lot about this other approache, which challenges presumptions about when literacy must be acquired and forces it down the throats of kids still in a pre-literacy phase of development, who should be drawing, dreaming, hearing and telling stories, learning rhymes to skip rope with, etc.)

As for the gender-related thing, yah, that could be a conflict as you describe. But the truth is, the quiverfull parents I know, all make a full education available to their daughters - albeit with those girls having more gender-based household duties such as helping with younger children and cooking. But they are right there learning advanced math with their brothers. So I dunno. I suppose, just as in the public schools, the fringe of the fringe may be problematic -- but we know hard cases make bad law, and, more along the lines of your point, we could begin to get into religious freedom. IRL, I definitely know many homeschooling families with very traditional gender roles built into family life (more that don&#039;t - because I move across inclusive and Christian circles and those that are blended), but there is also some thought that girld need the education to be attractive to their well-educated prospective husbands. I&#039;m sure that doesn&#039;t mean there is not an extreme further than what I have seen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you note that many homeschoolers have kids who, for instance, read later. I&#8217;d note, though, that this is acceptable not only among unschoolers but many structured homeschoolers. They simply accept later reading ages and support their children in acquisition of reading at later times. Many, including structured curriculum-using homeschoolers are influenced by the Moore&#8217;s books such as Better Late Than Early. So right &#8211; for these families, who purposefully choose an educational method they&#8217;ve seen work well, testing basic literacy skills when the children are developmentally still acquiring pre-literacy skills would be inappropriate. Strongly counter-intuitive, this method is almost unbelievable to anyone who hasn&#8217;t witnessed it. My not quite 8 yo (at the time) son did not read at all, tho&#8217; he was immersed in a rich culture of literacy. Practically on his 8th birthday he began reading, and within a few months he could read far, far above grade level. </p>
<p>(I actually think a great research project would be to look at the acquisition of reading in homeschoolers who take a more developmental approach. I know my oldest son was both reading and math phobic when I removed him from school at 4th grade, because he&#8217;d been pushed so hard and had those subjectes presented to him as a sequential parts-to-whole &#8220;scope and sequence&#8221; when he turned out to be a big picture, big concept, whole language late bloomer. Taking him out of school and telling him he did not have to read did wonders for him. That and Harry Potter. He&#8217;s excelling in college now. Anyway, I think educators could learn a lot about this other approache, which challenges presumptions about when literacy must be acquired and forces it down the throats of kids still in a pre-literacy phase of development, who should be drawing, dreaming, hearing and telling stories, learning rhymes to skip rope with, etc.)</p>
<p>As for the gender-related thing, yah, that could be a conflict as you describe. But the truth is, the quiverfull parents I know, all make a full education available to their daughters &#8211; albeit with those girls having more gender-based household duties such as helping with younger children and cooking. But they are right there learning advanced math with their brothers. So I dunno. I suppose, just as in the public schools, the fringe of the fringe may be problematic &#8212; but we know hard cases make bad law, and, more along the lines of your point, we could begin to get into religious freedom. IRL, I definitely know many homeschooling families with very traditional gender roles built into family life (more that don&#8217;t &#8211; because I move across inclusive and Christian circles and those that are blended), but there is also some thought that girld need the education to be attractive to their well-educated prospective husbands. I&#8217;m sure that doesn&#8217;t mean there is not an extreme further than what I have seen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winstanley on Homeschooling Gifted Children by R</title>
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		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Winstanley concludes, we are neither ideologues nor pedagogues (that is, our Bible is neither The Teenage Liberation Handbook nor...well, the Bible), but unlike some other parents, we didn&#039;t arrive at our decision gradually and reluctantly, exactly, but fairly decisively.

Partly, the reason is this: I am a teacher.  I know quite well the sound of an administrator trying to sell snake oil.  I know that although there are, thankfully, many teachers out there who are professional and dedicated, they&#039;re also hamstrung by NCLB concerns into focusing their primary efforts to help the kids who are barely passing.  Too many teachers hold essentially negative or at least erroneous beliefs about gifted children, and these too can stand in the way of a child receiving an appropriate education. 

When it was very evident to us that the school for which we were zoned essentially had little reason or desire to accommodate beyond handing out an occasional Sudoku puzzle or logic game, the choice was a pretty easy one.  We are also very fortunate in being able to make this work.  My concerns lie with those parents who are not so fortunate, but who are effectively in the same position we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Winstanley concludes, we are neither ideologues nor pedagogues (that is, our Bible is neither The Teenage Liberation Handbook nor&#8230;well, the Bible), but unlike some other parents, we didn&#8217;t arrive at our decision gradually and reluctantly, exactly, but fairly decisively.</p>
<p>Partly, the reason is this: I am a teacher.  I know quite well the sound of an administrator trying to sell snake oil.  I know that although there are, thankfully, many teachers out there who are professional and dedicated, they&#8217;re also hamstrung by NCLB concerns into focusing their primary efforts to help the kids who are barely passing.  Too many teachers hold essentially negative or at least erroneous beliefs about gifted children, and these too can stand in the way of a child receiving an appropriate education. </p>
<p>When it was very evident to us that the school for which we were zoned essentially had little reason or desire to accommodate beyond handing out an occasional Sudoku puzzle or logic game, the choice was a pretty easy one.  We are also very fortunate in being able to make this work.  My concerns lie with those parents who are not so fortunate, but who are effectively in the same position we are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winstanley on Homeschooling Gifted Children by Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this riveting review.  I myself was held back by the school system and my husband and I are determined to not let this happen to our children.

I believe most teachers do their best, but it is indeed challenging to meet set objectives for a schooling system, with large class sizes of very varied interests and talents.

Most of the other homeschooling families I know are the reverse - they are homeschooling because they have children who are having trouble keeping up within the school system, or because their children are bullied.

As we had no previous history of homeschooling ourselves, we had to put in a lot of research to make sure that we were doing the right thing.  You can access this information on how to get started in homeschooling at http://www.yourhomeschoolcommunity.com/.

Thank you so much for your articles :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this riveting review.  I myself was held back by the school system and my husband and I are determined to not let this happen to our children.</p>
<p>I believe most teachers do their best, but it is indeed challenging to meet set objectives for a schooling system, with large class sizes of very varied interests and talents.</p>
<p>Most of the other homeschooling families I know are the reverse &#8211; they are homeschooling because they have children who are having trouble keeping up within the school system, or because their children are bullied.</p>
<p>As we had no previous history of homeschooling ourselves, we had to put in a lot of research to make sure that we were doing the right thing.  You can access this information on how to get started in homeschooling at <a href="http://www.yourhomeschoolcommunity.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.yourhomeschoolcommunity.com/</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your articles <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Winstanley on Homeschooling Gifted Children by Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is disappointing that so many public schools are lacking in good education.  I work full-time, and therefore do not have the option of homeschooling my children.  I have a great idea of what I would like my kid&#039;s education to be... fun, enlightening, and well rounded, where my kids could learn self- empowerment along with the general education.   There is a school that follows this type of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rickposner.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; alternative teaching model...&lt;/a&gt; I actually read about it in Rick Posner&#039;s latest book, &quot;Lives of Passion, School of Hope.&quot;  True story about a very successful school in Colorado whose allumni [who are now adults] has turned out to be successful, responsible and lifelong learners..  This is what I would like for my kids.  Too bad that not everyone could adopt this model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is disappointing that so many public schools are lacking in good education.  I work full-time, and therefore do not have the option of homeschooling my children.  I have a great idea of what I would like my kid&#8217;s education to be&#8230; fun, enlightening, and well rounded, where my kids could learn self- empowerment along with the general education.   There is a school that follows this type of <a href="http://www.rickposner.com/" rel="nofollow"> alternative teaching model&#8230;</a> I actually read about it in Rick Posner&#8217;s latest book, &#8220;Lives of Passion, School of Hope.&#8221;  True story about a very successful school in Colorado whose allumni [who are now adults] has turned out to be successful, responsible and lifelong learners..  This is what I would like for my kids.  Too bad that not everyone could adopt this model.</p>
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